New Beliefs New Outcomes with Megan Chambers

PGSDer Megan Chambers is such an amazing instance of all the pieces I talked about in my 5-Half Private Growth Sequence. So I wished to have her on the podcast to share her expertise with you! 

On this episode, Megan shares how shifting her perfectionist beliefs allowed her to create an inflow of recent purchasers with out having to alter her advertising technique or working longer hours. 

We speak about how Megan knew that perfectionism was stopping her enterprise from rising and what that appeared like for her (whats up procrasti-learning). And we chat about Megan’s expertise inside Perfectionists Getting Shit Performed (aka PGSD) and the way this system supported her to get to the following degree in her enterprise whereas additionally working a full-time job. 

In the event you’re a perfectionist and also you’re constructing a enterprise, you wish to take heed to this episode immediately. 

JOIN PGSD TODAY: The doorways to PGSD are actually formally open. Be part of us immediately by signing up at samlaurabrown.com/pgsd. Enrollment is closing strictly at 11:59pm EST on Friday, 6 February. 

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Introduction
Hello and welcome to a different episode of The Perfectionism Mission. A podcast filled with perfectionism recommendation for entrepreneurs. My identify is Sam Laura Brown, I assist entrepreneurs launch their perfectionism handbrake, to allow them to get out of their very own manner and construct a satisfying and worthwhile enterprise. I’m the founding father of the Perfectionists Getting Shit Performed group teaching program, which is in any other case often known as PGSD. And for much more perfectionism recommendation that can assist you with your corporation, you possibly can comply with me on Instagram @perfectionismproject.

Sam Laura Brown (Customized Introduction)
I can not wait so that you can take heed to this episode. Okay, so I simply interviewed, and you’ll take heed to it in a second. I simply interviewed one among our PGSDers, Megan chambers. She is a profession coach. She is a perfectionist entrepreneur, and she or he joined pgsd in Might of 2025, and I simply wished to get her on the podcast. I’ve been mentioning it on just a few of the episodes that there’s a PGSDer, and there are various, however Megan was simply prime of thoughts. There’s a PGSDer who stored the identical social media technique, the identical technique for signing purchasers, and was in a position to get a dramatic distinction within the variety of purchasers that she has signed due to the shifts in her perfectionist pondering, due to the ways in which she has personally developed utilizing the PGSD course of and the instruments that we train, energy Planning, Development Aim, clear relaxation the teaching calls. I’ve coached Megan on a number of the completely different teaching calls and within the pgsd discussion board, and she or he has been in a position to get completely different outcomes from maintaining the identical technique that she had earlier than pgsd and never working tougher, not including in additional posts.

She submit on LinkedIn 4 instances every week, and I simply assume it’s such an amazing instance of the affect that the pondering you’ve gotten whilst you’re taking motion, how a lot that impacts the outcomes that you simply get from that motion, and the way whenever you shift the way in which you’re pondering, whenever you create protected visibility for your self, to indicate up on-line, when you’ve gotten perception gas so whenever you’re convicted about what you’re doing and who you assist, what you supply. Megan’s a coach, however a number of our PGSDer, aren’t a coach. So it doesn’t matter what you supply, if in case you have these shifts, in case you’re in a position to make momentum choices, we speak about determination making inside this episode, and you’ve got the instruments of the expansion objective and energy planning and clear relaxation to help you with versatile construction that works in your perfectionist mind and offers you readability and likewise permits you to be linked to your objectives and to your week and the truth of your week, like and likewise having clear relaxation Megan talks about that on the finish, and the gas that gives for her as properly.

So I actually simply wished to get her on the podcast and share about all of the wins she’s had since signing up for PGSD. She began as a podcast listener and listened for some time, and was the traditional procrasti-learner that I’ve talked about on this podcast earlier than. I learn about that as a result of that was additionally me to start with, that I simply was actually on this perception of like, if I can simply get all the suitable info and the suitable data and make the suitable choices, then I will probably be profitable. And on this episode, we speak about how it’s important to method enterprise as an alternative, so to really get momentum and get traction. Megan was actually on this mindset of, I simply have to get all the pieces proper. And that was making her content material stale. Who meant she wasn’t really promoting in her content material, and after we cleaned up the pondering, she simply began getting such completely different outcomes with out having to work tougher. And I like it a lot. So I hope you take pleasure in this episode with PGSDer, Megan chambers.

Oh, and earlier than we get into it, really, I do wish to point out that pgsd is open for enrollment presently. So in case you resonate with what Megan has shared on this episode, otherwise you’re about to listen to and if you wish to be inside pgsd, which in case you’re a perfectionist entrepreneur, you do wish to be inside pgsd, to get out of your individual solution to personally develop in order that your corporation can lastly develop to have the help the construction lifetime entry to it as properly, which is insane. So that you wish to be inside pgsd, we solely open for enrollment just a few instances a 12 months. So go to samlaurabrown/pgsd. I’ll hyperlink it up within the present notes as properly. So you possibly can go there and join immediately and get your self inside. You get instantaneous entry as quickly as you be part of. And enrollment will probably be closing strictly at 11:59pm japanese time on Friday, February 6. So that you wish to get your self inside earlier than doorways shut. And I hope this interview with Megan actually simply lets you see how how useful pgsd goes to be for you, in case you resonate with what I speak about on this podcast, as Megan did earlier than she was a PGSDer and we actually wish to have you ever in our neighborhood and to have the ability to help you. Is to develop and to implement all the issues that you simply’ve discovered already about enterprise and social media and simply all of it. You’re a wise particular person, you’re clever, however you’re not in a position to take motion presently due to your perfectionist pondering. And we’ve acquired you. We now have the answer. It’s inside pgsd, so I wish to invite you in. I hope to see you inside earlier than we shut enrollment. And I hope you loved this episode with Megan.

Sam Laura Brown
Hello, Megan, welcome to the podcast.

Megan Chambers
Thanks, Sam. So glad to be right here. Very a lot wanting ahead to this.

Sam Laura Brown
So let’s simply dive in and begin with the way you realized you’re a perfectionist. When did that come up for you?

Megan Chambers
Oh my gosh. I imply, it’s a lifelong realization. I feel, as for many people in PGSD, I most likely would have recognized as a perfectionist in highschool. I’m in my 30s now. I feel discovering your podcast, although, possibly about two ish years in the past was after I possibly began to truly see and determine how these patterns had been really exhibiting up in my life and as methods of pondering, I used to be all the time the straight A pupil. I beloved sports activities, so I similar to to be good at all the pieces, and that was a giant type of security for me. I simply Yeah, discovered a number of pleasure and delight in doing my greatest getting the A and I’m nonetheless like that in a manner, which is why I’m a part of our neighborhood. However a giant a part of my perfectionism additionally got here with a number of stress, a number of fear, a number of anticipatory preparation and over preparation. And so I feel in a number of methods, my perfectionism served me properly, proper, and particularly within the tutorial setting, proper? That was rewarded. However in my private life, and as I made a decision to develop a enterprise and begin a enterprise, I noticed that these patterns weren’t serving to anymore. In order that I feel once more, I can’t actually pinpoint one particular second after I was like, Oh my gosh, that is me, however I feel particularly, yeah, listening to the podcast for PGSD, I used to be like, Oh my gosh. There’s an entire different group of people who assume like me, have the identical struggles, and there’s really a manner by this, so I feel that’s how I consider it now, at the least wanting again.

Sam Laura Brown
Okay, and inform me about when did you begin your corporation? What 12 months was that? After which what did perfectionism appear to be whenever you began your corporation and had been within the first time period with it like, whether or not it was the primary did you’ve gotten it for a few years earlier than you join PGSD?

Megan Chambers
I did, sure. So I’m a profession coach. So my background is in profession counseling. I work at a college right here in Colorado, which I like, and I simply love my work a lot. And I began my enterprise additionally as a profession coach on the aspect. Outdoors of my full time work in 2020 when the pandemic hit, I used to be simply working full time. Didn’t actually have any intention of beginning a enterprise, however I had executed a bit little bit of freelancing for profession teaching and like, resume help whereas I used to be in grad college, and it was actually good aspect cash. And after I was working on the college and covid hit, lots of people I knew in my community had gotten laid off or had been coping with skilled adjustments due to the pandemic, and so I had all of a sudden lots of people reaching out to me that simply knew me socially or by household, to say, hey, my roommate simply acquired laid off, or, you realize, my cousin wants assist with a resume.

And I simply had all these individuals coming to me, and I believed I ought to most likely make this authorized if I’m going to just accept cash. So let’s you realize, I agonized about creating my LLC prefer it took me 5 minutes. Most likely thought of it for 3 months, 4 months, and it was, nevertheless it simply the seeds had been there to, you realize, I all the time wished to be artistic by my enterprise, and it was, you realize, as I’ve grown since 2020, it’s been a extremely great place for my very own private growth {and professional} growth. However in these first two years from 2020 in 2021, I actually simply, it was phrase of mouth. I actually didn’t do something actively. I’ve a really gentle web site as a profession coach. I’m on LinkedIn lots, so I used to be simply kind of posting concepts about profession growth, or simply issues I wished to share, however wasn’t actively recruiting purchasers in any respect. After which in 2022 I believed, Okay, I’ve had some momentum simply from individuals figuring out me and phrase of mouth.

So like, what would occur if I really tried? Like, what would occur if I really began attempting to construct this as an actual enterprise, and labored with a enterprise coach in 2022 in a gaggle teaching program, which was actually great. And that type of acquired me began fascinated with, Okay, what’s my advertising for my enterprise? And that’s what actually acquired me on LinkedIn. However earlier than we get into the posts, your query about type of how perfectionism was exhibiting up, I feel I used to be. Actually within the mindset of, if I do the suitable factor, then I’ll get purchasers. And so that basically confirmed up in after I would submit on LinkedIn, like agonizing over, did I write the suitable factor? Did I a giant factor for me is attempting to think about all issues and by writing, so it was making my posts actually lengthy and actually dense, and so they weren’t actually, they didn’t actually have a an opinion, or, like, a standpoint.

As a result of after I was writing, I used to be fascinated with, like, is that this following the formulation that I simply watched on YouTube? Or, you realize, I used to be fascinated with, how do I get individuals to love me? Like, how do I not make anybody mad and discover purchasers with this submit? And so I’d simply kind of write one thing so basic that nobody would have any response to it in any respect. And so I used to be actually once more, I feel, centered on in my head. I used to be like, I’m looking for purchasers. However after I look again now, I feel a number of my perfectionism was round attempting to determine, like I felt like there was a secret formulation of like, if I simply say the suitable factor in the suitable manner on the proper time, the purchasers will all simply come speeding to me and like it, and it’ll all simply be good, which I now see and have been gratefully altering that pondering. However yeah, it was actually, it was actually an attention-grabbing time to look again at now.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, and that line of pondering that I do know from expertise, what it feels prefer to be in that like, it’s what we’re informed on the planet of enterprise, in addition to, like, in case you simply get the suitable messaging, like your solely downside is you don’t have the suitable messaging. In the event you may simply resolve that, then you definately’ll be capable to achieve success in case you simply acquired the suitable area of interest. And there’s all this strain on all this stuff, we find yourself as perfectionist with this concept that there’s all these items of the puzzle and I’ve to get every bit. That is the all nothing pondering, I’ve to get every bit excellent for it to work. And that seems like such a wise and accountable endeavor and factor to resolve. Like, okay, I’m an excellent pupil, as you mentioned. Like, I get the A, a number of our PGSDers myself. It’s like, I’ve this id of I’m sensible and I do properly. So I’ve been informed I simply have to nail my area of interest within the messaging and submit on this format and do it this manner.

So if I can simply determine that out how to do this. And as you mentioned, whereas additionally attempting to look good, sound sensible, not have anybody not like us, watered down opinion, however nonetheless have somebody be like that’s for me. It’s so onerous when there’s attempting to get it proper, which is from that perfectionist pondering, plus there’s additionally this worry of being disliked. And after we are creating content material, and there’s a number of issues we assist with in PGSD, as a result of most companies, whenever you’re advertising, there’s now, for most individuals, social media, advertising of some kind, and particularly in case you’re the face of your corporation like you’re, for you and for me, I’m that it simply brings up so many emotions that we wish to be as an alternative of simply exhibiting up and sharing one thing that individuals won’t like, we wish to polish all the pieces. Get the phrases similar to we wish to really feel like we’re doing an excellent job. We’re being sensible about it, and we don’t wish to get haters. We don’t wish to get trolls.

Megan Chambers
We actually don’t. It’s nonetheless onerous. I’ll be trustworthy, prefer it’s nonetheless onerous, however yeah, however I wasn’t. I used to be writing with that in thoughts, with these imaginary haters preemptively. And what I additionally didn’t point out, too is that as a result of I had that formulaic perspective in thoughts of, if I simply have the suitable factor, it’ll work. I stored altering my method on my LinkedIn posts like, on a regular basis. Like, I’d always, like, I purchased, like, a LinkedIn, you realize, creator course, I purchased, you realize, I used to be all the time on YouTube in search of, you realize, right here’s one other manner of, you realize, structuring your LinkedIn advertising like I simply type of stored bouncing from, like YouTube video to course, to on-line article, and I wasn’t actually even giving something sufficient time to develop or to settle in. And so I simply stored altering after which saying, Nicely, that didn’t work. Let me transfer on to one thing else, when, in actuality, any technique can work. It simply there’s all once more, the significance of our pondering going into it. So, yeah, it simply was a it was it simply all the time felt like there was one thing lacking, and dwelling with that felt irritating. I’d say it was nice to see some, you realize, I used to be in a position to nonetheless discover some purchasers, nevertheless it didn’t really feel tremendous constant. And I feel really my most likely my greatest and most engaging submit from the start of my enterprise, after I didn’t know, and I didn’t know, and I used to be simply kind of Yeah, from the guts. And like, writing from the guts, and, you realize, wasn’t attempting to come back at it from an angle, however. It. It was, yeah. I discovered lots within the final 4 years of posting constantly, for positive.

Sam Laura Brown
And after we get in our heads, we simply lose a lot of this spark and connection that’s what resonates with individuals, which is why lots of people could have like, if, and never everybody. So anybody listening if this isn’t you kind of downside, however to start with, whenever you don’t actually know what you’re doing, that you should have issues resonate with individuals extra, after which whenever you attempt to all of a sudden be strategic about it, like I’ve had this expertise the place I used to be like exhibiting up and sharing stuff and probably not figuring out what I used to be doing. I used to be nonetheless like studying a number of issues and attempting to determine that out, however I used to be simply additionally simply sharing. Then I actually was in a position to acquire an viewers from doing that. However then after I acquired to a sure level additional on in my enterprise, I used to be like, okay, however now I’ve to be actually strategic, and now I can’t similar to, try this anymore, and this concept of what acquired you right here gained’t get you there. I used to be like, okay, meaning I’ve to now be strategic and polished and are available throughout as an skilled and ensure I’m saying the suitable factor and that I’m not instructing an excessive amount of or not sufficient, or no matter it’s, just like the spark simply goes from the content material. And in addition it sucks to create content material like that.

Megan Chambers
It’s agonizing, it’s dry, it feels Yeah, such as you’re similar to, Yeah, we simply maintain saying the phrase connection, and it simply feels such as you’re disconnected from your self whenever you’re in that place, as a result of then it feels such as you’re writing from a ought to place. Right here’s what I feel I ought to do. And yeah, positively type of took the enjoyable out of it. However I used to be like, properly, I’m dedicated to this now, and particularly as soon as I acquired going into that first 12 months, I used to be like, properly, I’ve to, like, persons are used to seeing me submit on LinkedIn at this frequency, acquired to maintain it going. And so it’d be a number of like, solar, you realize, the evening earlier than, being like, Oh crap, I forgot to, you realize, forgot to do my submit for the morning. Like, let’s write it like, or simply final minute within the morning, kind of frantically getting one thing out, which, once more, acquired the job executed, quote, unquote, however wasn’t actually from a extra joyful, linked place on my finish internally.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, and when that occurs, then it doesn’t have a tendency to attach with the particular person on the opposite finish. And I feel with AI as properly. I’m not anti AI in any respect, however when AI is getting used, as a result of we’re attempting to cover and be like, I don’t wish to create content material. I don’t wish to spend time doing this, so I’m going to have ai do it. And now so many individuals are utilizing AI. You’ll be able to spot when one thing is written by chatGPT, and it doesn’t join, even when it’s compelling, it doesn’t create that very same degree of connection of simply being a human and exhibiting up and sharing and permitting your self to be seen, which does take work just like the protected visibility work to do this in case you’re a perfectionist and also you’re petrified of what individuals will assume. So, yeah, it’s so essential to simply for everybody listening, simply actually seeing the way it’s not simply we wish to take pleasure in content material, as a result of that’s for us. It’s like, in case you are having a shit time creating it, the particular person on the opposite finish isn’t having an excellent time both. Like, then that is the most effective factor I’ve ever learn. It’s like, Oh, this seems like they had been simply posting to submit.

Megan Chambers
That’s like, proper? Yeah, yeah. Simply as a profession coach, too, I simply see so many parallels with after we write for our enterprise and the profession teaching purchasers, after we write our resumes for jobs, proper? It’s like, am I feeling linked after I’m writing my resume, after I’m writing that cowl letter? And for lots of people, the reply is not any, and the expertise is similar, and it’s actually, yeah, it’s actually draining. However I perceive why I wrote that manner with my perfectionist mindset. So I feel I’ve a number of compassion for myself and searching again at the moment, as a result of, yeah, that’s what I used to be fed proper from all of the enterprise recommendation, I used to be genuinely curious. I used to be like, Okay, that is the way it works. So I really feel grateful to have discovered a technique that works for my mind as an alternative of in opposition to it. Nevertheless it’s useful, you realize? It’s been useful to to understand that and to see why what labored labored and what didn’t work, too, so I can really diagnose in another way and transfer ahead in another way from there.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah. And it’s simply so irritating as properly, with being in that state of affairs of in case you are posting and ticking the field, and possibly generally inconsistent as properly, however in case you do get to the purpose the place you’re posting constantly however nonetheless being a perfectionist concerning the submit, then it’s this sense of like, I’m attempting my hardest and it’s not ok. After which that’s after we’re like, I could as properly not hassle. I could as properly discourse. Or I ought to do a unique platform. Do I do that as an alternative or that as an alternative? And we simply attempt to go to a unique technique as an alternative of and that’s what I wish to speak about particularly with you, is what occurs whenever you maintain the technique the identical and alter the pondering that’s behind the technique, change the pondering that you simply’re. In whenever you do the submit, and whenever you’re even simply each day fascinated with your corporation. So I wish to speak about that. However earlier than we do, are you able to inform me why did you determine to enroll in PGSD? Did I say that humorous? Why did you determine? I don’t know. I heard it again. It is sensible. Why did you determine to enroll?

Megan Chambers
Positive. So I suppose at the moment, I’ve been in for a bit over six months, possibly eight months or so now, and I had discovered the podcast as many PGSDers do, and simply kind of lurks and like, take heed to you for some time, I felt like I fangirled after I lastly really acquired to fulfill you inside, I used to be like, wow, Sam’s an actual particular person, and she or he’s great. However I actually determined to affix as a result of I’d grown my enterprise in 20 as much as 2023 to some extent the place I used to be lastly beginning to have the ability to think about going full time with my enterprise. And I did that in 2023 for about six months. I acquired married round that point, I so I left my full time job, type of went all in and my enterprise, and went to Italy for 3 weeks for my honeymoon. Like I simply wished a number of time freedom. I wished to type of see what would occur if I actually went all in on my enterprise, and inside about six months, I wanted to return to full time work as a result of I wasn’t bringing in sufficient financially.

That was actually, actually onerous, as a result of I had the id of being somebody that was sensible and profitable, and I simply had this imaginative and prescient that I’d simply soar off into the sundown with my enterprise and say, wow, that was so great. I didn’t make any errors alongside the way in which. And take a look at how nice I did this, if I’m simply, like, actually trustworthy at wanting again at my imaginative and prescient and so and truly, it was a extremely good factor for me to come back again to full time work, so I’m really actually grateful for that transition again. Nevertheless it took a short time for me to get my enterprise confidence again, as a result of it simply, I simply had a number of self doubt round that point, and as I wished to get again into constructing my enterprise, I noticed I do know sufficient from all of the issues that I had discovered and researched and the programs and the webinars and templates like I simply I had all this info, however I actually realized that the problem was with my pondering.

And I noticed partly by listing I’d listened to the podcast for most likely a 12 months, possibly even a 12 months and a half. I don’t even know the place I discovered you, if it was by Instagram or the podcast alone, however I actually simply resonated with what you the method you took, and the way you talked about perfectionism, and the way it was really the foundation of find out how to get the outcomes you need, and fascinated with it from a pondering perspective, not a data perspective. And that basically resonated with me. And so the dream to proceed with my enterprise and construct it was nonetheless there in me. It wasn’t like when that occurred, it just like the bubble burst, and I used to be like, Oh, that was a enjoyable journey, however I’m positive being again. Like I nonetheless had the need to construct the enterprise. And so I noticed, although, that I wanted assist, and I wanted to alter the way in which that I used to be approaching fixing that downside of constructing my enterprise.

In order that’s actually what pushed me over the sting. And I used to be even fascinated with becoming a member of a later cohort, and my good friend was like, why don’t you simply be part of now? And I’m so I’m so grateful that she inspired me to do this, as a result of I used to be like, You recognize what? I used to be like worst case state of affairs, like, I’ll have a, you realize, a number of month Head Begin, plus I joined the later opening for PGSD enrollment. However that was actually what pushed me over. And I had, I had been actually supported in a gaggle setting earlier than, after I was in that earlier enterprise cohort, so I knew that having that accountability and having that construction can be actually useful, and likewise simply being round a bunch of different perfectionist I used to be like, wow, I gained’t have to clarify that a part of my pondering to them, as a result of they’ll simply get it. And in order that was that each one yeah simply added up for me saying sure to becoming a member of.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, why did you determine to affix quite than simply maintain listening to the podcast?

Megan Chambers
I had tried by myself to, like, attempt to energy plan. I, like, take heed to episodes. Oh my gosh, that is so embarrassing, however sure, so that you get this, Sam, however so I had, like, listened to episodes, and I had like, written out, like, all of the steps that you simply had talked about within the podcast of, like, find out how to energy plan. I’d really type of tried it a bit by myself with combined success. And I feel for me, what tipped me over to truly becoming a member of was the neighborhood piece and eager to obtain teaching from our group teaching calls. That was a giant a part of it, of simply receiving that personalised consideration. And I feel now being in this system, one factor that I didn’t notice that’s now one among my favourite components, is the personal podcast of listening to the archive of earlier teaching conversations. And I be taught lots additionally simply from listening to different individuals get coached, simply basically. And so for me, with the ability to I knew with the ability to see different. Individuals get coached in this system can be actually, actually useful for me, and it has been. It’s one thing I’ve, you realize, listened to a ton on my stroll to work, or may after I’m on a run and issues like that. I feel I’m like, already into, like, early 2024, teaching calls. I’ve gone to this point again as a result of I’ve listened to so many, however I feel it was actually simply that neighborhood piece and never eager to do it alone. And I knew that simply listening to the podcast and once more, similar to taking my very own notes and training issues was an amazing begin, and it helped me to, like, affirm that it was an excellent the concepts had been actually resonant with me. However I wanted that neighborhood and that help, which has been an enormous profit since I’ve joined,

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, and simply one thing as properly. I wish to ask since you talked about I learn your I mentioned this earlier than we began recording your PGSD consumption type. So whenever you join, now we have you full a type in order that we are able to actually simply immediately, get to know you and absolutely help you. And one of many belongings you mentioned in that was about procrasti-learning and that that was one thing you recognized you had been doing, and that you simply wished to not do anymore. One thing that I hear and other people say is okay, however how do I do know PGSD isn’t extra procrastinati-learning? How do I do know this isn’t me similar to getting extra info to then not do something with so do you’ve gotten something that you simply’d say to the one that is in that procrasti-learning state of affairs the place they’re similar to you mentioned, they’ve a lot data and knowledge as clever particular person, most likely an A pupil, if they’ve the worry of like, okay, I wish to cease procrasti-learning, so I shouldn’t join PGSD. What would you say to them?

Megan Chambers
Positive, I feel if I simply take into consideration what, what state I used to be in, early out, chatting with that particular person, I feel I imply, one is that the construction round in, round it in PGSD is basically about, what are your needle movers like? What are you really like making choices and dealing by the emotional stuff that comes up as we make choices. And that’s what I noticed, that each one of my procrasti-learning was like a solution to defer the uncomfortable emotions of creating choices in my enterprise, which you’ve been teaching me on individually, however different issues. So it simply retains leveling up and evolving. However I feel for me, what makes it completely different is the way in which it’s structured, like the very first thing you do whenever you be part of is ready your progress objective, and now we have to kind of really say, The place am I going and the way am I planning? What’s my greatest guess about find out how to get there? After which the ability planning actually helps like, how am I really placing within the time through the week with the time that I’ve to get it executed?

After which we’re kind of confronted with, wow, I even have an execution downside. Wow. I really over scheduled myself. Wow. You recognize we’re really, I feel the way in which PGSD is structured is once more, with that objective of mine of really getting shit executed once more, sure, there’s, there’s like features to love our library and methods you can be taught. And I’m really wish to revisit that, however I feel the main target is all the time on, how do it’s essential to make the choices to maneuver ahead. What are you engaged on now? What’s stopping you from doing that? And so it’s actually extra centered on who we’re and our pondering round our enterprise in that exact second, quite than, Oh, right here’s similar to a formulation. Strive it out. I’ll see you subsequent week. So I feel that construction has been actually useful and an antidote to a number of the like, over saturation I see on-line, particularly of simply, like, simply comply with the technique. However to me, it’s actually about, how am I really planning to execute on the issues that I’ve discovered? That, to me, is what makes it completely different.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, like, we train execution by having you execute, and we assume, like, most of our PGSDers both a pupil who’s acquired, like, you realize what it’s essential to do, however you’re not doing it, and also you’re not doing it constantly or with out burning out. And so yeah, I’m glad to have your reply to that as properly, as a result of it may be this, like, okay, however I don’t belief myself as a result of I’ve an execution downside. I don’t belief myself to comply with by with it. However, like, all the pieces is designed for that particular particular person, whereas I feel a number of enterprise packages are designed for the one that has no execution situation.

Megan Chambers
Precisely. They assume you possibly can simply, they assume you possibly can simply rock and roll with it, and it’s nice. And my husband is completely like that. He’s the individual that’s like, seems at me and he’s like, why are you simply, like, overthinking this? And I like, love that as a praise to me, it’s like, yeah, we carry completely different strengths to the desk. And I feel, and I, you realize, my profession coach second is like, I’m actually into like, Clifton Strengths, and like, I additionally like, lead with, like, my prime two strengths. Are strategic and ideation. So I’ve no situation developing with new concepts. Like my mind is consistently like developing with this fountain of concepts, and I didn’t have any kind of system or course of or simply solution to throttle that and to truly management my ideas extra deliberately and deliberately with, okay, simply because I’ve an thought doesn’t want I have to assume on it, and I feel that’s been with the expansion objective particularly, useful to say, really, I may have numerous nice concepts, however, like, I’m executing on what I plan to do, and that’s what I’m going to do and comply with by on however yeah, the overflow of concepts is lots to handle for me generally, however the construction has been the construction has been useful.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, okay, so inform me enterprise and private growth and perfectionism. How for you with your corporation, have you ever wanted to personally develop and in pgsd like, that is like, we train you the sensible instruments to do this you talked about the Development Aim, energy planning. There’s additionally clear relaxation. Offer you teaching, help, lifetime entry to this system, after which in relation to like, really with the ability to make the adjustments and see completely different outcomes for you together with your private growth, such as you got here in, and I can’t bear in mind the precise order of issues, however we had you retain the identical technique. Nicely, you determined to maintain the identical technique and alter you want, change the you that was executing the identical technique as earlier than. So are you able to stroll me by like, that call to maintain it the identical after which how have like, how has it been attainable that you simply get completely different outcomes now than you probably did earlier than, with out really altering the technique of what you’re doing?

Megan Chambers
Positive. So after I joined PGSD in the summertime and I used to be engaged on my progress objective and fascinated with what my needle movers had been to attain that objective, I made the choice to stay with LinkedIn posts as my foremost advertising car, as a result of one I had actually solely constructed up LinkedIn as my advertising channel. Like, I don’t have skilled Instagram or different social media platforms. Like, I don’t even have Tiktok personally. Like, I simply, like, don’t even, I’m simply not even on Tiktok. I’d had a really small e mail listing, which I nonetheless do, however actually LinkedIn nonetheless simply made sense, as a result of it’s the place I had essentially the most viewers constructed up and quantity and momentum. So it didn’t make sense to similar to, fully swap over to a unique platform or a unique chart, or attempt to construct up one thing completely completely different. In order that, I feel was most likely the principle motive why I caught with LinkedIn, however I feel round that point, we had been speaking lots in pgsd, and also you’re speaking on the podcast, lots concerning the artistic cocoon, and lots about creating security and the concept of actually being linked.

And in order that, I feel actually began absorbing into me, it was kind of a acutely aware determination. It kind of occurred slowly, however I feel what I noticed was how I noticed how disconnected I had began to be after I was writing my posts. And I’ve, you realize, anybody that’s talked to me like my enterprise known as profession dork for a motive, like, I similar to, love profession growth. I’m tremendous enthusiastic about it, and love serving to individuals reconnect with their careers and like. So that concept of like me being lit up round my writing and posts like, was very pure for me, as a result of I simply attempt to professionalize it a lot. That’s what actually type of shut that down. And in order we had been speaking across the artistic cocoon, I used to be like, what if I simply, like, type of simply went again to that, you realize, like these early days of simply after I actually simply kind of spoke from the guts and no matter was type of on my thoughts, and, like, went again to that technique. And one, it helped, simply because I may write sooner, I wasn’t agonizing in the identical manner round. Nicely, is that this phrase proper, or is that this phrasing proper? Or have I thought-about all the pieces?

So I really feel just like the submit simply got here out of me in a extra pure, straightforward manner. It’s additionally simply extra fulfilling. It simply was like, not as agonizing to jot down. And the one I’d say, the possibly solely barely completely different factor I did was I used to be like, I do know I do wish to ensure I’m promoting. And now we have had a number of conversations round like, am I really promoting my supply? So all I did was actually made the dedication that one submit every week, I’d at the least have some kind of name to motion, like, schedule a name with me. Come to, you realize, schedule a free Meet and Greet name. Or, like, ship me an e mail, comply with me. Like, I simply made that dedication that, like, one of many posts through the week would have some kind of name to motion, or, like, speak about my supply at the least a bit bit. And, yeah, it was actually unbelievable simply fascinated with how, fascinated with the individual that wished to work with me, that wished to listen to these concepts I used to be bringing to the desk, like after I was writing with them in thoughts, it began filling up my calendar.

I used to be like, Oh, there’s extra meet and greets. There’s been like that had been that had actually run dry for a very long time, though I had nonetheless been posting it with at about the identical frequency, about three to 4 posts every week. And so similar to altering how I used to be approaching fascinated with my posts and seeing that really actually tangibly translate, was tremendous cool. And I do know it was, yeah, enjoyable for us to type of speak about in teaching and in my persistence log posts. However yeah, it was actually thoughts blowing as a result of I additionally simply, I used to be like, wow, it was that straightforward. Like, I feel I simply as, I’m positive, the perfectionist listening get it, however I feel a giant a part of perfectionism for me is like, if it’s efficient, it must be onerous. If it’s if it’s gonna work and get large outcomes, it has to take large effort. Like, there’s this like, psychological correlation of like, large to large, like small to small. And it’s, it was kind of weirdly blowing my thoughts that it wasn’t taking me that a lot time to do one thing that was so efficient, proper?

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, it’s that, like, all or nothing the and we may simply use it in opposition to ourselves. A lot of like, oh, that is manner too straightforward to work. So let me make it sophisticated. Let me do one thing I’ve by no means executed earlier than, and simply attempt to, like, go all out, after which that’s when now we have this worry of burning out, come up, and this like, worry of being dedicated, as a result of we predict, okay, if I’m dedicated, meaning I’ve to, like, expend a lot power, whereas so a lot of our PGSDers are available in and you retain doing a number of what you had been doing, however you do it with completely different pondering and a unique degree of perception. And for you on teaching calls and within the discussion board, and ask a coach, it’s like, the teaching on , like, what are the ideas you’re pondering as you’re writing the submit? There’s like, who you’re fascinated with, however like, eager to be favored by individuals and never similar to, Okay, we’ll cease caring what individuals assume.

That’s not the recommendation the quote Jesus given. It’s like, simply cease caring. It’s like, okay, you care. And the way do it’s essential to assume so to nonetheless be the one that cares what individuals assume, and you may really present up and share a linked submit and the place you possibly can we checked out such as you’re fascinated with what you promote, the worth you promote it at, who it’s for. Must you promote the total factor? Ought to you’ve gotten a diminished supply? Like, all of those completely different choices that pop up as you’re taking motion and getting objections, and other people on these calls who’re like, okay, however like, I don’t know if I can afford that. And like, speaking about all of the mindset stuff and all of the perfectionism that comes up with that to similar to, we recognized what you try this works, after which we simply have had you, your mind desires to be like, what about this? Or like, how about I try this?

We simply carry it again to you. Like, right here’s find out how to do the quite simple factor and really feel protected with simplicity, is one thing we do in PGSD, like find out how to really feel protected, to do issues merely, as a result of our perfectionist mind feels safer in complexity and dealing lengthy hours and being busy on a regular basis and doing the suitable technique and ticking all of the containers, after which when that feels overwhelming, we’re like, properly, I could as properly do nothing in any respect, however having only a quite simple plan. And I like that you simply don’t even submit day by day of the week. And like, I began posting day by day, such as you stored actually the identical variety of posts. After which from the pondering altering, you’re like, oh, really, I would like to essentially invite them to work with me, as a result of I’m presently simply assuming that in the event that they wish to work with me, they’ll go to my like profile on LinkedIn, after which they’ll discover it, however oh, I really, I’m going to inform them not, as a result of we mentioned, Okay, put in a CTA, and then you definately go right into a mindset of, I’m placing in a name to motion as a result of that’s the suitable factor to do, as a result of all of us learn calls to Motion that you simply’re like, that’s so not compelling in anyway. However you possibly can completely within the field of like, put a CTA, of like, hey, DM me, or hey, like, e book a name. In the event you’re not feeling linked and also you’re not in a position to join with it, then though you’ve acquired the CTA, nobody books the decision.

Megan Chambers
It’s that conviction, yeah, it’s that conviction. And that’s what I didn’t notice was working within the background of my pondering behind after I was writing the submit. As a result of if I used to be pondering like, nobody’s gonna join this, like individuals aren’t, you realize, the economic system is bizarre, like individuals aren’t gonna wish to spend cash on teaching. Individuals aren’t gonna discover me due to different like, all that stuff, there’s simply all that thought, all these ideas working within the background, like, that’s infusing itself into my writing. And so I noticed that it wasn’t after I was in a position to reconnect with, like, the worth of my supply, why it was essential, why I wished to supply it, why I used to be excited to supply it, like, all of that made it like, after I’m in that mode of pondering, it’s very easy for me to say, like, Hey, I’d like to, I’d love to ask you to work with me, proper? It’s such a way more pure place.

And that’s even bled over into, like, you realize, my calls too. Like, after I do discuss to potential purchasers, like, I used to have a really type of, like, inflexible manner of working the calls, and now I’m like, I simply present up and I’m like, let me simply join with them and similar to, ask them questions. Ask them questions on their profession and see how if I will help. And extra instances than not, that makes them wish to work with me, proper? Even generally I’ve, like, gone in being like, Oh, possibly I don’t know if this consumer will work out or not, and so they’re like, really, how can I work with you? Proper? So it’s bled into different features of my enterprise in a constructive manner, too. However the different factor. With that security that I wished to say concerning the posts too is rather like the amount that we talked about within the artistic cocoon, and simply making a quantity of labor that, you realize, and I’ve extra of a I’m nonetheless build up, type of my reserves, however not placing a lot strain on a single submit and simply specializing in being linked within the second that I write it.

And it’s been actually attention-grabbing that I’ve had extra posts go kind of semi viral on LinkedIn since I’ve began pgsd not nevertheless it’s fully as a result of I’m linked and never as a result of I deliberate it to be viral. Like I had a submit about possibly two weeks in the past that I feel, hit like 50,000 impressions. It similar to, completely popped off with feedback and all kinds of stuff. And it was like, I nearly simply didn’t care, as a result of I’m like, that’s not even my needle mover. I’m like, That’s cool. That’s nice that that submit about resumes resonated, nevertheless it was, it was not a submit after I posted it, however I used to be like, that is the one which’s gonna go viral. Like, that is the one which’s actually going to get individuals pondering. So it’s simply it was so attention-grabbing how that one acquired picked up. Nevertheless it was actually, I may inform, not by my very own design or intention, however what I had, what I did learn about why that labored is I used to be linked to myself. I used to be like, oh, individuals ought to most likely know what to not placed on their resume. Like, let’s write from that perspective. And it completely labored. So it’s simply been attention-grabbing to see how that does really resonate in a deeper, greater manner. However once more, it feels straightforward, which is counterintuitive.

Sam Laura Brown
However the pondering needed to shift to find a way, prefer it’s even and we train us in pgsc, however to create a quantity of content material, if somebody listening to that’s like, Oh my God, that’s onerous work. Is as a result of they’re fascinated with doing that with the identical perfectionist pondering that they’ve proper now, which is like, I write a sentence after which I nitpick that, after which I write the second sentence, after which I learn each of these sentences collectively and I nitpick that, after which I write a 3rd sentence, like, it’s like, in fact, that might make it appear to be I can’t really create a quantity of content material, and I’m additionally attempting to tick this field of like, I would like a hook, after which I would like this, after which I would like that, after which that content material doesn’t land. It doesn’t resonate, since you don’t simply say the factor like, Oh, I feel individuals ought to simply know what to not placed on a resume. I’ll simply, like, put that out and put that out into the world and try this. That’s the type of thought now we have that we are able to execute on rapidly after we shift the pondering.

And in addition wished to say too with that just like the and I feel we coached on this throughout a few completely different calls about like, we recognized your fascinated with what you supply was inflicting points with what you had been doing on LinkedIn, and that was why it wasn’t resonating like since you weren’t really wanting to ask individuals since you had a thought, however I can’t assure them a job. And so what we did was, as an alternative of going, Okay, let’s change your supply so you possibly can imagine in it extra. And we most likely, I can’t bear in mind, there are just a few little adjustments, however our perfectionist mind have to be like, I simply want to seek out the right messaging area of interest, the right supply, the right worth that I’ll simply imagine in. And what we did was what you had that individuals had been already curious about, and that you simply had your previous self thought this can be a good thought to supply.

After which we cleaned up your pondering so that you simply grew to become convicted about it, after which whenever you had been convicted and compelled and linked with what you supply, then it’s a lot simpler to be like, Oh, hey, do you know I’ve this? Let me inform you extra about it, or hey on a name, like, do you wish to work with me? As an alternative of being like, Oh, they most likely can’t afford it. They’re most likely not going to get a job, like, when you’ve gotten all these ideas, even in case you’re posting with the right formulation and the right CTA, in case your foremost ideas are they will’t afford it, they don’t need it, and it’s not going to work. Like, however you had all of the proof that they will afford it, they need it, and it’s working already, however you simply had just a few ideas to wash up in order that you might be linked once more. It was, like, just a few little ideas that had been creating the disconnection. We didn’t must, like, go deep again into your childhood about something. It’s similar to, Oh, I simply this thought, that’s a thought error. And we simply shifted that pondering,

Megan Chambers
Yeah, that was wild to essentially, it was actually enjoyable to see the way it was that thought for me, driving of like, my purchasers will solely wish to work with me in the event that they’re assured a job. Prefer it was ideas like, type of round that. And yeah, after I thought of what I do greatest and what, you realize, purchasers really come to me for, you realize, it’s that help, I used to be like, Nicely, I can supply that basically simply. And so simply once more, reconnecting to that thought and fascinated with, you realize, that emotional piece of that’s what I like to do. And so once more, simply, yeah, reconnecting to my very own want and like, the place I really feel like I work greatest. And, you realize, as I used to be writing from that place too. Once I would meet with potential purchasers, like I had just a few individuals in there, I’d ask about, the place did you discover me, or why do you assume I’m like, the suitable coach for you? And some individuals simply mentioned, like, your submit simply actually resonated with me. And to me, that was like the suitable and so they had been actually aligned purchasers. And so to me, that basically was a affirmation of, you realize, nearly simply to maintain writing, similar to stream of consciousness, proper, to essentially simply keep linked to that greater, deeper motive why I do that work.

And you realize, particularly it does, you realize, it’s, it’s a thought I’ve to constantly handle. It wasn’t like one time I’m like, nice, I cleaned it up and, like, it nonetheless retains coming again in several types, and particularly after I see, you realize, we’re always bombarded, particularly on social media, and for me on LinkedIn, like, with people which can be like, hey, simply comply with this formulation. Then I’m like, Wow, possibly I ought to do one thing to be, quote, unquote, simpler, or get like, I can’t. I’m like, oh, then I’ve to type of examine myself and recalibrate and ensure I’m like, nope. I’m like, it’s been so onerous to, like, not change issues. Like, I do know we’ve coached like, I’ve wished to, like, replace my Meet and Greet questions and my web site. I need, like, there’s been so many issues over the past six months that I’ve wished to, like, optimize, and I’m actually appreciative {that a} large focus of our our work collectively in pgsd is, like, about sufficiency, and it’s been actually, yeah, it’s been actually onerous however useful to truly simply, like, pressure myself to depart it, and I didn’t notice, like, that was the work for me, was really to depart it, and truly that I really feel like, is the excellent news for perfectionists is like, you possibly can set issues down, Like you possibly can set a number of these duties, a number of that down.

And I do know we’re probably not specializing in clear relaxation in any respect, however that, I really feel like, has been my new frontier of like that really is the gas, in a number of methods, for the work I actually wish to do on this subsequent season of my enterprise. And truly realizing that relaxation, after I’m resting sufficiently, it really makes me wish to present up extra linked, and do, like, actually comply with by on what I mentioned I’d in my enterprise. And similar to, realizing that connection has been big. So yeah, there’s simply been so some ways during which realizing, how am I pondering on the origin of those completely different factors, whether or not it was, yeah, like my posts, or, like, assembly with purchasers, or my supply, like all of it has been getting cleaned up. Has been actually, actually enjoyable to see that develop.

Sam Laura Brown
Yeah, superb. Nicely, I do know you’ve gotten a consumer name in a couple of minutes. So is there something simply to wrap up that you simply wish to share with everybody listening? Okay, in case you don’t have something however Annie, you mentioned you ready with just a few little dot factors in

Megan Chambers
Yeah, I feel I acquired most of these issues. Um, yeah. I simply would say, if anybody’s on the fence, yeah, I simply my solely remorse now could be that I want I joined pgsd Sooner or like, after I wasn’t unbiased in my enterprise for the primary time for the help. However yeah, no, it’s been a beautiful neighborhood. And yeah, I’m simply actually excited to see how all these concepts maintain creating and what I continue learning. So yeah, so thanks, Sam for creating this. And yeah, I’m excited to be part of it. And yeah, for anybody listening, join with me on LinkedIn at Megan Chambers or careerdork.com would love to attach, or in case you resonated, would love to speak with you, however yeah, simply respect the time and alternative to speak.

Sam Laura Brown
Superb. Thanks a lot. Megan, I actually respect you.

Megan Chambers
Yeah, thanks, Sam. Thanks. Bye.

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